Saturday, December 8, 2007

Adventures in missing the point: Romney's religion

I am an evangelical Christian. I have been a Mike Huckabee supporter for a long time.

I tend to the conservative side of politics.

It has been a great source of frustration for me over the last week or two to note the media coverage of the Romney/Huckabee race in Iowa. Mitt is certainly a skilled manager, and seems to live the life of an honest, hard-working family man. For that, I do not begrudge him.

I make no secret of the fact that I am a Mike Huckabee supporter. I think he has a natural charm, wit, and authenticity that will appeal very broadly in the next election. I think this is the antithesis of Mitt Romney. Everything about him, from day one, has seemed to me to be focus-group tested, calculated to please the discriminating moderate-to-conservative American voter. His answers on the social issues for me are less than convincing. How is it, that growing up in the Mormon church, which overwhelmingly supports conservative positions on social issues, he did not come to be pro-life?

The earliest reports were that he was pro-life. Then, when he ran for Massachusetts's Senate seat, he became a champion of abortion rights and gay rights. Ok, fine. Now, that it's convenient for him, he's an ardent pro-lifer again. It just wreaks of phoniness.

Some might argue that his pro-choice position indicates a willingness to think independently from his church. They may be right. As to who this argument benefits, I don't know. Few of the conservative evangelicals I have known are half as concerned about Romney's Mormon beliefs as they are about his apparent willingness to jettison them for political convenience. Few conservatives will be impressed with a free thinker on this specific issue, because they don't see any logical or factual way to justify the current abortion laws we have.

Is the growing baby in the womb, who (unlike its parent cells) has her own, full, unique DNA structure, her own heartbeat, and the beginnings of her own unique body, not a human?

And if it is, is there any more basic duty of a government than to protect the human life of its citizens?

And if there is, then "what kind of conservative are you anyway?", they might ask. The answer: not the kind we're looking for.

No, the fact is, a Mormon in the white house is no great deal to evangelicals, who have learned to get over their collective differences with Catholics, Jews, and even atheists to achieve the ends they seek. The great deal is someone who is pretending to be what he is not, or worse, is squishy on their pet causes. This is one of the main reasons, I believe, why evangelicals back Huckabee: he is authentically Mike, take him or leave him.

Another is his ideas: The FairTax, health care reform, appointing judicial conservatives to our nation's courts, securing the border, winning the war on terror- all these things animate Christian conservatives.

Still another is his "retail-politics" skills, as mentioned above. I believe everything happens in accordance with Providence, and there is a reason Governor Huckabee spent all that time as a pastor, above and beyond the main (and important) task of pastoring his flock: to prepare him for the next calls he would be fulfilling. (Is Huckabee God's chosen candidate? Maybe, maybe not. I think God has prepared several possible candidates who could each be president, and we need to choose the best one. I am not claiming to know to what extent the Hand of God will make itself known this election cycle.)

Another, often overlooked reason for Mike's support, is what it does for their (conservative/evangelical) cause. There are stereotypes of the conservative Christian perpetuated over and over again in our news media, repeated by those who probably have known very few conservative Christians. The "Christians" these media types have met are influential, power-brokering lobbying leaders and televangelists, neither of whom really represent the majority of American evangelicals on theology, temperament, or status in life. Evangelicals seem to like Mike Huckabee because he gives lie to the stereotype of evangelicals as weird, unconcerned with the world in which we presently live, or heartless bigots. He is none of these things, and in this way, he mirrors the leaders most of us know inside our churches, trying desperately despite our (and their) own sinfulness to communicate and embody the love of our Savior. Every time he speaks, an atheist, agnostic, or person of other religious speech thinks, "Well, I'm not a Christian, but if they are like this guy, I think I'd be more open to hearing about it." Not that he will be giving alter calls, but he is great PR, a sure method to bypass the typical calumnies in our media. Mike Huckabee is equal time. Is this a great reason to support someone for president? Probably not, but many see this as icing on the cake.

To be blunt, Romney is not great for our cause. The mere fact that evangelicals support Huckabee over Romney has lead many in the media to presume that it's because Huckabee's a Baptist and Romney's a Mormon, therefore anyone choosing Huckabee is bigoted against Mormons. (They certainly don't teach logic in journalism school, do they?) As I stated before, my chief concern is that Romney is squishy on social issues and has positions that vary with his political ambitions. Having been burned by too many Justice Souters, O'Connors, and Kennedys, social conservatives need to know that their president will be willing to expend their political capital confirming judges to the bench who don't believe in inventing new rights, like what happened in Roe v. Wade. (Is there a right to privacy? Maybe, but I know few who would argue that allows you to kill someone without government interference, yet that is what supporters of Roe are arguing when they say a blanket "right to privacy" allows for abortions.)

And many in the media are doing just what we feared they would do - painting evangelicals as bigots because we do not accept that Mormonism falls under the umbrella of orthodox Christianity. Newsflash: some Christians aren't uninformed and easy to command! I don't know that it's a majority of us, in fact I suspect not, but there are those who know what they believe and aren't afraid to say so.

There are historical standards for what does and does not a Christian make. The council at Nicaea is just one example. Under this standard, Mormon beliefs about the deity of Jesus and the reality of the trinity do not qualify as Christian; the same holds for their ideas of Joseph Smith's revelation as equal to scripture.

Does this make their religion awful? No! It just means that if we believe words mean things, and we are using the word Christian, Mormons aren't included under the traditional definition. If we use the word "Christian" to include Mormons, the term is not an entirely inaccurate one, perhaps, but we have given it new meaning, a broader usage, which would likely also include many groups not seen as "Christians" before.

Christian doesn't just mean "nice person", or even "moral believer in God". By this definition, Jews would be Christians. I think there are people who claim Christianity who do not live ethically, and people who aren't Christians who generally do live ethically. I am not trying to be insulting here! Let me say that all the Mormons I have met, with one exception [a young guy whose issues likely had zilch to do with his beliefs] have been outstanding people. I do not wish them any ill. I merely do not see eye to eye with them on who is and is not a Christian.

"But what about the Christians who say they have no problem including Mormons under the umbrella of the term Christianity?" They are adhering to standards which are, by traditional standards, quite liberal. Either they are not aware of what Mormons believe or they are not aware of the specifics of the Gospel they claim. We can hardly fault them for wanting to be inclusive, but often this is because they are uninformed. Do I realize what I am saying here, that so many Christians don't know what they believe? Yes, and it is a scathing indictment of the church in America. Sad but true.

To me, the attempt by reporters and pundits, even on the right (try arguing that Mormons are good people but not Christians on the RedState.com blog; see if you get kicked off for being a bigot, like I was) to redefine Christianity wreaks of a typical liberal tactic of least common denominator arguments, that we need to accept definitions of things that make everyone happy and ruffle no feathers. I couldn't disagree more. Any attempt by people with negligible knowledge of or interest in Christian theology to tell me what I should and should not believe will be resented and, quite frankly, resisted quite vigorously. That many on the right are attempting this bodes ill for the chances of their movement's success, as I am hardly alone. Don't criticize an evangelical for being too steadfast in his beliefs, or for not accepting uninformed definitions of what he may and may not believe.

Is such thinking capable of surviving in a democracy? Yes. I can be a conservative Christian and agree to disagree on theology in order to achieve consensus on morality. What I cannot do is allow myself to become so changed by this process that I no longer believe what I believe.

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Now again, this theology discussion does not indicate why I think Mike Huckabee is the best presidential candidate.

What it does attempt is to explain why I, perhaps as so many Christians and conservatives will just have one more reason why we would love to vote for Mike, to stick our proverbial thumbs in the eyes of the"leaders" of our party who are saying we are bigoted for not supporting Romney. I are not bigoted, I have a belief system. This belief system does NOT require my presidential candidate to share in it. It requires that he be, unabashedly and unashamedly, an advocate for what I am all about POLITICALLY: protection of the life of every man, woman and child from conception until natural death. I see that Governor Romney is not. Therefore, I will not vote for him. No excellent speech about religion, such as Romney gave, will sway me on that. And to insinuate that I don't support him because he's a Mormon is false. If he were a Mormon who was sincere in his conviction about the need to protect the unborn, I would give him another look. At this point, I don't see that happening.

In writing off Huckabee voters as bigoted, conservative elites are
1) Insulting us for holding to the tenets of our faith and guarding them jealously, thus redefining not just "Christian" but "bigoted" as well
2) Missing the boat on Mike Huckabee, an excellent candidate who could win the general election
3) Revealing their ignorance of the God who animates the largest block of their coalition
4) Creating a double standard: Mitt's or Rudy Giuliani's deviance from conservatism is ok, Mike Huckabee's deviance is not, thus frankly opening them up to the charge that they really do only care about Wall Street and fiscal issues and not Main Street issues
5) Running the risk of tearing apart the only coalition that will enact the policies they seek

I personally do not want a realignment, as I value fiscal conservatism. But I, like many others, value it as a matter of practicality whereas moral issues are a matter of basic morality. And you can probably guess which one of these two I value more highly.

3 comments:

Bri said...

What a double talker. It is fair to criticize his Romney's shifting positions and say it has nothing to do with his religion. But than you go right ahead and criticize the religion. You rely on the Nicea credd and other traditional definitions to rule they are not christians and attempt to categorize them with Muslims and Jews as just people who live a good (posibly christlike) life. Yet they claim to be christians because of their belief in Christ as the Saviour of the world, and it is what drives them to trying to live an ethical life. Even within the LDS church there are different political opinions (compare Romney to Sen Reid), which should be a copmfort to knwo that he is not influenced by the heads of the LDS church. No wonder you were cut off as a bigot. Attack his political record all you want if you disagree, that is definitely what Mike is getting from all sides, but leave the intolerant pontificating to the pulpit.

Brian Mueller said...

When did I criticize his religion? I described it.

Christianity is belief that Jesus was the unique Son of God, not one of many sons, who was himself both fully God and fully man, and that he came to save us from our sins. Christians do not believe that Jesus was another human who became a god, as Mormons believe. Mormonism holds that by following the Mormon church's teachings, we can become gods ourselves, and that our God was himself a human, rather than infinite and eternal; this is RADICALLY different than what Evangelicals believe.

And in America, there is nothing that says you can't believe this. I don't want there to be laws telling people what to believe. You can even call this Christianity.

And, you can call Christians who disagree bigots, but don't expect them to agree.

You are right about different positions in the church, I may have gone a bit out of my area of expertise in saying that, and for that I apologize.

And my criticism of Romney is independent of his religion. I believe I took the effort to make this clear, and that I said what I find objectionable politically is his so-called "flip-flopping". I also said that I disagree with the idea that Mormons are Christians. They are two separate points.

The entire point of the post is that I may hold two separate ideas to be true without the one being because of the other.

You are trying to reason inductively here, that because I don't practice Romney's religion, but another one instead, that my dislike for Romney is due to his religion. If Romney was a perfect candidate, whose religion I disagreed with, I would in fact be a bigot if I chose to support an inferior candidate. But this "if" is far from the case- Romney as a politician is an empty suit with no core convictions older than this political season.

lenseigne said...

In your effort to say we are not Christians, you said, "Christians do not believe that Jesus was another human who became a god, as Mormons believe." I don't know where you are getting your information, but just so you and others know, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-Day-Saints, nicknamed 'Mormons' believe the following about Jesus Christ:

quoting Ezra Taft Benson, December 1986:

"And so the premortal God, the God of the whole earth, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Lawgiver, the God of Israel, the promised Messiah was born a babe in Bethlehem.

"Thanks be to God the Son for the offering of Himself. And thanks be to God the Father that He sent Him. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son.” (John 3:16.)

[I just want to add here that we often call Jesus the God of the Old Testament, simply because in many cases in the Old Testament, where it says ‘Lord’ or ‘God’, we understand it is referring to Christ who would later come to Earth. Then, in the New Testament, which was after Christ came to Earth, He is generally called Jesus or Christ. In the whole Bible, if it ever refers to ‘God the Father’, we understand that it is not referring to Jesus, but to His Father, our Father in Heaven. We do believe they are separate- the Father and the Son- (see John 1:3- Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.) Now to continue with Ezra Taft Benson’s remarks:

"Jesus was a God in the preexistence. Our Father in Heaven gave Him a name above all others—the Christ. We have a volume of scripture whose major mission is to convince the world that Jesus is the Christ. It is the Book of Mormon. It is another testament of Jesus Christ...

"In its pages we read “that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.” (Mosiah 3:17.)


Now, my thoughts on this- there is a definition in any dictionary of the word 'Christian' as a noun or adjective:

NOUN:

-One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
-One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

ADJECTIVE:

-Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
-Relating to or derived from Jesus’ teachings.
-Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
-Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
-Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

The name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints speaks for itself. This religion is all about Jesus. We do not worship Joseph Smith, or the angel Moroni, or Mormon. They all took part in bringing the fullness of Christ’s gospel to this dispensation of times, for which we respect and honor them, but the religion is based on Christ’s Gospel. I don’t know how someone could say we are not Christian. Oh well, everyone has freedom of speech. I just wish people would do a little more research before their speeching.

To research more about the ‘Mormon’ church, the first place you should look is in the Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ. We read the book of Mormon hand in hand with the Bible, and they support eachother. I have never met a person who has read the Book of Mormon from start to finish who would deny it is true.

Also, further on the subjects you brought up, the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints does indeed believe that we are all Children of God and that we have the potential to be gods, or in other words, to be like God, does not in any way imply that we think God would then no longer be our God, or that we would become more powerful than Him, or overtake Him or even be equal with Him, or anything like that. It is only meaning that we can eternally progress and learn His ways and eternally become more and more like Him. We basically believe that if we are true and faithful in all things, we will be able to become like God our Father and live forever in the family unit, working as He does to bless and exalt our children, as He does.

If you say this is “RADICALLY different than what Evangelicals believe” I wonder why that is so? Because there are several references to this in the Bible. This out of a regular King James edition of the Holy Bible-

Philippians 2:5-6
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Psalms 136: 2-3
2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.
3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalms 82: 1, 6
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:33-36
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Just thought I’d give you something to consider there. I’m in no way trying to be rude or disrespectful of other’s beliefs, only trying to help others see our point of view.

One other thing- the word ‘Christian’ is only found 3 times in the New Testament, and 0 times in the Old Testament, and never from the mouth of Christ himself. Acts 11:26 tells us that “the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” The passive construction “were called Christians” suggests that the term was first used not by followers of Christ, but by non-believers. I just thought that was intriguing.

Here’s more intriguing scripture in John 8
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and acame from God; neither came I of myself, but he bsent me.
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my aFather that bhonoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Anyway, I don’t know that this really has much to do with the Presidential race, but since it’s a subject on Mike Huckabee’s website, I just thought I’d put my 2 cents in there somewhere. I think Mike Huckabee seems great, but I think Mitt Romney has more experience and more potential for getting things done. He is very good at managing and organizing, and I see that both Romney and Huckabee have moral values. For me, the fight against abortion and the fight against terrorism are the two most extremely important issues. I don’t see Mitt as a flip-flopper on abortion. I can see that Romney’s faith has helped him progress to the viewpoint he has now on abortion. You may have heard that we ‘Mormons’ have 13 Articles of Faith. You might be interested to read them, because it is a good summary of our beliefs. Anyway to the point I’m trying to make, our 12th Article says, “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” So, you must understand that Mitt Romney did previously ‘sustain the law’ on the subject of abortion, he has even used those exact words at times, even though he has always been personally opposed to abortion. If you read about his experiences, basically, he wasn’t going to try to impose his religious beliefs on everybody because he understood that they had their legal rights. But he never said to them that he would further support new legislation in favor of abortion. He vetoed the emergency contraceptives bill and he fought against embryo cloning and embryo farming. I think his time as Governor matured his thinking greatly about abortion, so much that he wants to actually somehow help get Roe v Wade reversed, and he knows the best way he can influence that is by being President. He has very high aspirations. People should read his entire statement on abortion from back in 1994 during the debate when he was running for Senate against Ted Kennedy. To sum it up, Ted Kennedy declared himself pro-choice, and said that he’d always been in full support of Roe v Wade, and then he plainly stated that Mitt Romney was ‘multiple-choice’. Romney explained that in our nation he knew he could not impose his religious beliefs on others, and though he was personally against abortion, he would sustain and uphold the law as it was [there he used that word sustain again]. He stated regarding his religious beliefs, “…we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others.” Now in 2008, he still doesn’t want to impose his beliefs, but he wants to do everything in his power to make things better. He has even talked about his ideas on how to get Roe v Wade reversed. In fact, Romney is constantly talking about ideas on how to improve lots of things. I have not heard Huckabee discuss abortion much except to express that he is personally against abortion. I don’t want to have a President who is nice and does some good things, I want a President who is ambitious in many areas who has experience in getting things done. Romney is a person that when he sets out to do something, he really gets it done.

One last thing, that ad that Huckabee decided not to run but then showed it anyway, he put in there that Romney had a 50$ copay for abortion, but the fact is that it is because of a federal mandate, not Romney’s own idea. And while I’m on the subject of that ‘non existent ad’, it also talked about Romney raising taxes, when the truth is that he lowered taxes and it was in part because he raised fees on certain things, like gun licenses and drivers’ permits. Basically, instead of having the whole community pay taxes to cover those kinds of things, he had people pay for what they were directly involved in. And it ended up being less than what they would’ve paid in taxes. Makes more sense to me than using taxes. Also, the added revenue from fees would not make up for all of the budget deficit. He used plenty of other conservative tools, along with fees, to turnaround a bad situation.

Well, I’m ready for bed. I hope my words will be considered and hopefully influence at least one person before the caucuses.